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Michael, Tom & James: part 2 [Aug. 13th, 2008|07:49 pm]
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(Isn't he handsome?) Part 1 is here:
http://tasabian.livejournal.com/24667.html#cutid1




Let's hear a bit more about the Tom-love!
James: "And Tom is really cool. Man, if any of you have crushes on Tom Welling, go right ahead... We don't like to believe that beautiful people can have intelligence, but sometimes, they do. And Tom is one of them. He's really very funny, and very intelligent."


Now, some Michael-love!
James: "I've got to say, he's great. I've never know what's going to happen when I look into that guy's eyes. Wow!"


James on the Fine/Lex relationship: "We did two or three scenes together that were designed for me to dominate. Fine wins again. By the end of the second day, Michael was like, 'Oh God!' He was getting frustrated. I remember the same feeling over on Buffy. Whenever they wanted a new character to be really cool, just take him over to Spike and have them beat him up a bit. And I remember thinking, 'Could we come up with a better way to set up these characters that to diss me?' So I was thinking lately, 'Man, the tables have turned and now I'm watching some other guy who has spent years building up a really cool character, and now they are using that to really pump me up.' I was kinda feeling for Michael."

(Gotta say....Those scenes were really hot, though!)



Let's look at a few more phallic symbols!
James has a big map! And Michael's pants...I'm sure that's just an interesting crease...

I feel certain that at some point Michael put this thing in front of his crotch and waggled it.


Offscreen was Michael initially playing a little "hard to get?"
James: "I'm trying to get Lex to play guitar with me - everyone tells me he plays a wicked guitar - but he won't play with me. I think, probably a good instinct because we don't wanna get that friendly because the relationship on screen is NOT friendly at ALL"


But they did make friends! Michael explains that he was a little awed by James:
"You know, I didn't get to work with James that much but when I do, it's amazing, it's electric. People don't know this, but it's very difficult to be a guest star. Imagining coming onto the set of a show that's already successful, where the crew is like a family and everybody works together....So I always try to make the guest star comfortable and say, "Hey, it's OK to mess up." But James, he's been around the block. In our first scene, I'm just kind of having fun, being the dark and brooding Lex Luthor, but as I start doing my lines, I'm like, "Holy shit, this guy knows his stuff inside out." I looked at him and thought, "Oh, you came to play today!" — both of us found each other trying to amp it up. We had lunch a couple of weeks later and James looks at me and says, "Man, I was a little nervous." I was like, "What are you talking about? You were so confident!" He said, "No, honestly, I was a little nervous working with you." Me?! I'm the biggest goofball in the world. It was like two football teams trying to show how strong and tough they are and afterwards going, "Hey let's go get a spritzer!" It was hilarious. I can't wait to see what they have in store for us."


Back to Tom! James describes a typical action scene:
"Like - I hit Clark, Clark flies back thirty feet, gets up, comes over, hits me, I fly back thirty feet, end of fight. You know, it's like total meat and potatoes for Tom and I and then the stunt guys take these wicked gags, you know ratcheted back thirty feet through furniture and stuff and then that's the end."

Grab!

Smirk!


James found his character's motivation at the end of S5 confusing: "You know, I didn’t know what I was doing to Lex - no one told me until I was actually injecting his arm with the serum and then Mike says “oh, you know what you’re doing to me?” and then he explained it all and I’m like oh “that’s what I’ve been doing for the past three episodes”


In fact at the end of S5, James wasn't happy at all! Here's a slightly condensed version of his rant. James: "What happened on Smallville was I was fat. No, they got me on Smallville thinking they would turn me into a character called Zod and I went into the contract negotiation saying that I don't want to take my shirt off because frankly I was 20 pounds overweight and I didn't want anyone to see my....fat. So, I get on the set and the first scene is like, "ahhhgh" and what they were doing, they wanted to see if they could use me in the plot..they had hired the James Marsters on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. What they got was me twenty pounds overweight. So, it's not their fault they decided to make Lex Luthor Zod. Now, my only problem was they didn't tell me that, so yeah. It's all about abs. Acting ability is a plus. It's WAY second to abdominal muscles."

So Michael ended up playing Zod. "Vessel" makes four references to Fine "preparing" Lex: how gay-porny is that? Not nearly as porny as their deleted scene, as it turns out!

Lubed-up Lex fights his way out of a giant condom....


...While Fine struts around in a black body-stocking!


Michael can barely repress the giggles...I would love to hear what the guys thought of this scene:


A bit more ranting from James: "...if the producers don't tell you what your character wants, then you're reduced from being an actor to a poser. And I could only pose as a tough guy, I could pose as a dangerous guy, I pose as the guy who's gonna mess up Clark's life but I had no idea how I was gonna do that. When I watch acting that's posing, I turn it off. It offends me. And I got through that season and I thought, I can't continue like this. I don't want to criticize them for how they run their show, but I don't really feel that I can fit in to that way of working at all. And so, I left. And to this day I don't know what was going on with Smallville. I was flying some plane in a tie, I have no idea what that was about. I was in a field and a big shadow and I was talking to some girl, I don't remember what her name was? I THINK she was on the show...was she on the show? Good. I mean, she was nice but I had no idea what I wanted from her. And "I'm preparing Lex!" Cut. Over. Go home. So, yeah. I mean they paid me REALLY well, and as a father, that was hard to turn my back on the contract actually. But I just don't think there's a career in posing."

(Hee! Some girl = Lana!) Anyway, Al & Miles must have made their apologies because James returned for S7.

James on how SV should end: "Tom was saying, 'Maybe I put on the cape for the last shot of the whole show. Now he's going off to be Superman.' I said, 'No Tom, what you do is, have a scene between you and your dad where you're putting on the Clark Kent persona, and your dad goes, 'Come on, do your walk, son - no, no, not that walk, not your walk,.'" (as Jonathan Kent) "'There. Act like a nerd. Remember that guy in fourth grade that couldn't walk? Yeah, him. That's better. Now remember that stutter you had back in fourth grade?' 'Oh, Dad, yeah.' 'Do that.' 'No, I can't do that.' 'Yeah, I want you to stutter.' And then the very last shot, he puts on the glasses, picks up the briefcase and walks past the cornfield to the bus stop.' Wouldn't that be cool?"


One more time....what kind of ride is Rosenbaum?
James: "...an E-ticket ride. You hang with Michael, you gotta get on, and be prepared to go 'whoa!' He's never contrary; he's never a pain in the ass or anything like that. He just takes the stage; it's like 'all eyes on Michael'. And it's just gold; it's gold on the set to have someone stirred up like that and getting people woken up and thinking, because the set is grueling and it can put you to sleep after 14 hours, but man, I love working with Michael! We were always laughing....."


When I met James at Collectormania last May, I told him he had been perfectly cast as Brainiac and he immediately launched into praise of Tom's directing skills: "I did three episodes this year....Tom Welling directed one. He's a good director, one of the best they have."


And to conclude....my favourite James-quotes about Tom and Michael:

On Tom
James: Tom is fabulous; he's a bit smarter than you might expect....Tom's a little dirtier than you might expect, but just as decent as his character, actually. He's a great lead for the show, really a great leader and a very decent person, so the quality of the set is really good.

Tom has a naughty side? Ooh, do tell!


On Michael
James: I think that Michael's thing and my thing might be kind of similar, which might be why we got along so well. There's a dirty, dangerous prankster down in there, and there's secrets down in there, and you get that naughty fun kind of thing...

*is speechless*


Photo credits: Kryptonsite, Devoted to Smallville, oxoniensis, jeannev, tariel22, acampbell
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-14 01:59 am (UTC)
Thanks :) Marsters is a very quotable fellow!
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[User Picture]From: suzycat
2008-08-14 01:45 am (UTC)
I think that Michael's thing and my thing might be kind of similar, which might be why we got along so well. There's a dirty, dangerous prankster down in there

And I have entirely read "thing" as a polite reference to "cock" and "down in there" as a polite reference to "down in my PANTS."

JM and MR: similar in the cock department. No need for competition there.
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-14 02:01 am (UTC)
HEE! You could very well be right!
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[User Picture]From: tariel22
2008-08-14 02:19 am (UTC)
OMG, Part 2 is even better than Part 1! I am on squee overload from the fabulous quotes! So much love for Michael and Tom, and so much wit and intelligence and insight. I love JM even more now. His Smallville rant is just made of awesome.

"It's all about abs. Acting ability is a plus. It's WAY second to abdominal muscles."

As much as I love Smallville's ability to deliver the pretty, it pains me to acknowledge the absolute truth of this statement. Kudos to James for pointing it out.

"And to this day I don't know what was going on with Smallville."

You and me both, James. And how much integrity does this guy have to turn his back on a guaranteed gig because his standards for acting are too high to mesh with the lack of continuity and character development on this show?

I love all the pics, especially the BTS ones. You always have pics I've never seen before, and they're always wonderful. In the pic where James is holding the map, I can't take my eyes off Michael's hand. The man has the most beautiful, elegant, sexy hands! *swoons* And how great is it to see the genuine smile on Tom's face in that last pic of him and JM together? Thank you so much for these two posts! I'm sure I'll come back many times to enjoy them again.
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-14 03:36 am (UTC)
Thanks very much!

His Smallville rant is just made of awesome
Here it is, in its entirety:
http://jamesdb.com/index.php?c=10&s=76&q=1678#1678

In the pic where James is holding the map, I can't take my eyes off Michael's hand. The man has the most beautiful, elegant, sexy hands!
Michael does have lovely hands....any SV scene where he steeples his fingers and I'm a goner!

And how great is it to see the genuine smile on Tom's face in that last pic of him and JM together?
He's all smiley in the sunshine!

So much love for Michael and Tom, and so much wit and intelligence and insight.
The man gives a great interview. (And brings joy to the fannish heart!)
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[User Picture]From: miss_tress
2008-08-14 02:29 am (UTC)
Man, if any of you have crushes on Tom Welling, go right ahead...

Well, if you insist James then I'll go ahead and crush on Tom.
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-14 03:36 am (UTC)
James demands it!
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[User Picture]From: cheerful_earl
2008-08-14 02:40 am (UTC)
I love how JM seems as in love with Tom and Michael as we all are.

I also love his Smallville rant abut posing and lack of motivation. I love him even more for it. :D
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-14 03:38 am (UTC)
I love how JM seems as in love with Tom and Michael as we all are.
He's a fan-surrogate, getting to play with the hot men!

I also love his Smallville rant abut posing and lack of motivation.
Al & Miles must have groveled a little to get him back for S7. (Glad they did!)
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[User Picture]From: rosy5000
2008-08-14 03:09 am (UTC)
Oooo! I like his idea for ending the show! :D

lol OMG! He didn't know who KK was/played? heheheh That's just priceless! *giggles*

I think that Michael's thing and my thing might be kind of similar, which might be why we got along so well. There's a dirty, dangerous prankster down in there, and there's secrets down in there, and you get that naughty fun kind of thing...

Ok... that may be the quote to end all quotes! lol And the quote to definitely put my mind in the gutter permenantly. lol ;)
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-14 03:41 am (UTC)
Ok... that may be the quote to end all quotes! lol And the quote to definitely put my mind in the gutter permenantly.
Yes, the imagination runs a little wild, doesn't it?

Oooo! I like his idea for ending the show!
Except he forgot that Jonathan was dead....probably didn't watch "Reckoning" because he wasn't in that episode!

He didn't know who KK was/played? heheheh That's just priceless!
Must have made it a really confusing scene for him to film!
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[User Picture]From: jeannev
2008-08-14 03:20 am (UTC)
Part 2 was just as fabulous as Part 1. I love how much JM loves and respects our boys. He's one of those people that I sometimes talk about...veterans of the biz who wouldn't bother saying positive things about actors he didn't really like and respect. So, the fact that he has nothing but raves and praise for the boy speaks volumes.
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-14 03:44 am (UTC)
Ooh, cool icon!

I love how much JM loves and respects our boys. He's one of those people that I sometimes talk about...veterans of the biz who wouldn't bother saying positive things about actors he didn't really like and respect. So, the fact that he has nothing but raves and praise for the boy speaks volumes.
Yes, it's gratifying how much he enjoyed his Tom/Michael experience! I think of all the guest stars, he's been the best for offering up these interesting little bits of information and praise.
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[User Picture]From: eeyore1017
2008-08-14 03:53 am (UTC)
This post was awesome! Thanks for all the great pictures and quotes! I'm thinking that maybe I need to move to Canada so I can go to conventions and meet all the famous people...

Tom's a little dirtier than you might expect, but just as decent as his character, actually.
This statement has also been confirmed by the set insider on DTTW. :-)Apparently he likes to make dirty jokes (I would love to hear one of his!) but she has nothing but praise and good things to say about what a wonderful and kind person he is. He's smart, witty, gentlemanly, kind, generous, and don't forget absolutely gorgeous! Sounds pretty perfect to me! Sigh...
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-14 03:59 am (UTC)
You're welcome!

Thanks for all the great pictures and quotes! I'm thinking that maybe I need to move to Canada so I can go to conventions and meet all the famous people...
Actually, I met James in the UK! (But will hopefully be meeting Michael in Canada next weekend....)

This statement has also been confirmed by the set insider on DTTW. :-)Apparently he likes to make dirty jokes
Michael said Tom drew naughty pictures on his "Freak" script...boy, if Michael ever decided to auction that script off, he'd make a fortune!
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[User Picture]From: lexalicious70
2008-08-14 05:08 am (UTC)
I could make an educated guess about what JM means about his thing and Michael's thing being the same thing . . . I just get this, "takes one to know one," vibe. I might not feel that way if he hadn't made the comment about the secrets running deep. But I don't want to comment on the possible fluidity of Michael's sexuality. *coughs*

This was the most awesome thing I've read in weeks! The Michael and Tom love was just . . .eeeeee! And that deleted condom scene? How many take do you think that took, and even then Michael is about as far away from Lex at that moment as we've ever seen him? He's just about ready to die laughing. It's still my favorite! Great spam hon, thanks a million!
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-15 01:14 am (UTC)
Thank you!

And that deleted condom scene? How many take do you think that took, and even then Michael is about as far away from Lex at that moment as we've ever seen him? He's just about ready to die laughing.
I love how you can see the laughter in his eyes (and hear it in his voice when he says "what are you doing to me?") He's so cute trying to stay in character!
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[User Picture]From: voldything
2008-08-14 12:07 pm (UTC)
I loved, loved these posts!
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-15 01:15 am (UTC)
Thanks, doll!
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[User Picture]From: redteekal
2008-08-14 12:22 pm (UTC)
"James: Tom is fabulous; he's a bit smarter than you might expect....Tom's a little dirtier than you might expect, but just as decent as his character, actually. He's a great lead for the show, really a great leader and a very decent person, so the quality of the set is really good."

Awwww...this was a fantastic post to read and look at. But yes, I'd very much like to investigate the evidence there (for TW being dirtier than you might expect *vbg*) and make sure I can appreciate his humour fully. James will always have my respect - I thought he played Spike extremely competently and JM himself seems like a completely genuine and likeable fellow.

Thanks for sharing!
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-15 01:16 am (UTC)
Thanks!

We absolutely need to hear more about naughty!Tom. So intriguing....!
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[User Picture]From: drusplace
2008-08-14 12:40 pm (UTC)
I don't know what to comment on first!!!

"I'm sure that's just an interesting crease..."

OR he actually has SOMETHING in his right pocket. Not that I looked that closely! Of course not. *looks innocent*

"I feel certain that at some point Michael put this thing in front of his crotch and waggled it."

I actually audibly snorted at this line! And I bet you are right!

"James: I think that Michael's thing and my thing might be kind of similar, which might be why we got along so well. There's a dirty, dangerous prankster down in there, and there's secrets down in there, and you get that naughty fun kind of thing..."

I've read this before. And love James as much as I do, I hope it isn't totally true. James has a dark side. One he has spoken about frequently and I hope for Michael's sake he doesn't have that dark of a side.


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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-15 01:21 am (UTC)
I've read this before. And love James as much as I do, I hope it isn't totally true. James has a dark side. One he has spoken about frequently and I hope for Michael's sake he doesn't have that dark of a side.
I hope not - Michael seems like a genuinely happy, sunny guy. And he's got a great network of friends and family to watch out for him.

OR he actually has SOMETHING in his right pocket. Not that I looked that closely! Of course not. *looks innocent*
With that camera angle, it's hard not to look, isn't it? *blushes*
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-15 01:21 am (UTC)
There are no words!
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[User Picture]From: starry_dawn
2008-08-14 03:30 pm (UTC)
Again, lovely quotes and pictures! What Al and Miles did to James sounds really rude so I'm really surprised he came back for another season after that. Anyway, it's nice to know he at least enjoyed his time with Tom and Michael while he was on set! :)
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-15 01:23 am (UTC)
What Al and Miles did to James sounds really rude so I'm really surprised he came back for another season after that.
It shows he liked the cast anyway! (And maybe Al & Miles had to give him a raise.)

Anyway, it's nice to know he at least enjoyed his time with Tom and Michael while he was on set!
He really seems to have bonded with the boys!
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[User Picture]From: complicat
2008-08-14 09:14 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I haven't seen some of these quotes before! I love his Smallville rant about not knowing what was going on - just confirms that the producers really are making it all up as they go along. And 'some girl' - hee! Clearly he's assessed the importance of SV characters correctly.

I hope James was paid really well to return for season 7. Or maybe it was the love for Tom and Michael that drew him back!

In that picture in the rainforest where it looks like Fine is handing over a Very Special and Important Cupcake to Lex, for a moment I thought that they were holding hands, which confused me for a minute because I'm sure I would have remembered a hand-holding scene!
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2008-08-15 01:27 am (UTC)
Ooh, I haven't seen some of these quotes before! I love his Smallville rant about not knowing what was going on - just confirms that the producers really are making it all up as they go along. And 'some girl' - hee! Clearly he's assessed the importance of SV characters correctly.
I roared when I first read his rant. Poor James. Imagine what the SV regulars go through: "I"m doing what now?"

In that picture in the rainforest where it looks like Fine is handing over a Very Special and Important Cupcake to Lex, for a moment I thought that they were holding hands, which confused me for a minute because I'm sure I would have remembered a hand-holding scene!
HEE! "Hypnotic" was a Very Stupid episode but it did have nice props. I've forgotten the rationale behind the spiky phallic thing Lex is holding but the cupcake is supposed to be a spaceship (I think...) It's a wonder Michael & James were able to make it through that scene without giggle-fits.

Or maybe it was the love for Tom and Michael that drew him back!
It must be The Love. *nods*
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