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Michael's a sweetie; Schneider wants to return to SV [Sep. 7th, 2009|07:53 pm]
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Michael's a sweetie!

John Schneider was at DragonCon this weekend...once again, he displays a somewhat bittersweet attitude towards his former show:
Q: Do you miss playing the character Jonathan Kent on Smallville?

John Schneider: I miss the character desperately! I think, not because of my acting or anything but because of the character, when they killed Jonathan Kent off the show, they lost its moral structure. I felt like Jonathan Kent held the series to a higher standard, and I feel that it is something they are missing lately.

Q: Would you ever come back to the show if asked?

John Schneider: I'd love to come back! Actually what I'd like to do is come back in Smallville's final episode as a ghost or apparition that gives Clark the thumbs up to wear the Superman suit. Sadly, they never call or write though (made a sad face).

Interview by John Jones of the Superman Home Page:
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php
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[User Picture]From: acampbell
2009-09-08 12:12 am (UTC)
I miss the character, but felt it was appropriate for Jonathan to die when he did. JS always seemed to buy into Jonathan as a "moral compass" and not see his faults. He even said once that he hoped for a scene in which he hoped to tell Clark: "See? I was right about Lex Luthor all along!" I'm so glad we didn't get THAT!:)
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 01:59 am (UTC)
JS once said this in an interview: "what I fear is the lack of acceptance on Jonathan's part for Lex is one of the contributing factors in him becoming the evil character that he does."

I definitely agree with parts of that. But as the seasons progressed, JS seemed to see Jonathan as morally infallible.
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[User Picture]From: miss_tress
2009-09-08 12:32 am (UTC)
Sadly, they never call or write though
Gee, I wonder why? It couldn't be because you say things like the show doesn't have a moral or high standard anymore, could it?
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 02:00 am (UTC)
He's probably been the most consistently vocal critic of the show among the cast members!
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[User Picture]From: tariel22
2009-09-08 12:34 am (UTC)
Michael is such an amazing individual. I am in awe of his boundless empathy and generosity. And it goes with out saying that I couldn't possibly adore him more.

I do miss the Kent family dynamic, but I miss Martha more than Jonathan. Clark becoming Superman without Martha playing an integral role still seems wrong to me.

Icon love! ♥
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 02:02 am (UTC)
♥Michael♥ Such a charitable boy.

The Kent dynamic was amazing in the early seasons. I miss Martha too - hope AOT makes it back for one last appearance. I would love the final scene on SV to be Martha & Clark.
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[User Picture]From: jeannev
2009-09-08 12:37 am (UTC)
I really do miss the Kent family, and I agree that the show has lost something profound with its absence. But someone needs to explain to John Schneider a little something called diplomacy.

Also, Jonathan Kent was no moral saint.
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 02:05 am (UTC)
Jonathan Kent was no moral saint.
I think Clark's own moral compass was stronger: he'd defied his father's orders & tried to rescue Lex in Belle Reve; Jonathan was certainly protective of his family but seemed to care less about the larger world.

But someone needs to explain to John Schneider a little something called diplomacy.
Heh, I'm waiting for vid of his panel with JM to be posted. JM is the other vocal SV critic AND he also thought the last scene of SV should feature Clark & Jonathan. So they probably got along famously!
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[User Picture]From: rosy5000
2009-09-08 01:02 am (UTC)
Awww!!!! Michael's such a sweetie!!!! How can you not love a guy like that?

I never really liked or disliked Jonathan, though I didn't like how they killed him off, exchanging him for Lana. They could have done it a better way.
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 02:06 am (UTC)
*cuddles Michael*

Yes, it's a shame that Jonathan had to die as a trade-off. It made a lot of fans angry with Lana as well :(
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[User Picture]From: starry_dawn
2009-09-08 01:58 am (UTC)
Aw, poor John. D:
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 02:07 am (UTC)
Aw, well he got lots of love at DragonCon, swooning fangirls etc! He's one handsome daddy!
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[User Picture]From: dawnybee
2009-09-08 02:20 am (UTC)
I love Schneider to pieces and to an extent he's not wrong about losing it's moral structure (I would rather say they don't focus on the moral structure not so much as lost it), but Jonathan held the series up to a higher standard or the Kents? Because Jonathan and Martha as loving supportive parents to Clark was wonderful, not just Jonathan.

I think Schneider loves the character because Jonathan is alot in line w/ Schneider as a person, but I think he's doing some wonderful things like his stint on Nip/Tuck and his upcoming role on "90210". This is all just to say shut up bad mouthing the show Schneider, and keep being a DILF.
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 03:01 am (UTC)
To me, Jonathan seemed willing to sacrifice a whole lot for his family, including the welfare of other people at times. Remember how mad he gets when Clark stops the out of control bus in "Rogue"? He's in "protect Clark at all costs" mode. Which is actually more interesting than making Jonathan a saint who only wants to help others.
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[User Picture]From: dawnybee
2009-09-08 03:14 am (UTC)
He's in "protect Clark at all costs" mode. Which is actually more interesting than making Jonathan a saint who only wants to help others.

What I loved about Jonathan is that he was the only one (maybe Martha too) who have ever really wanted to let Clark be Clark. Others in Clark's life tend to put the pressure on him to step up to the plate because of his abilities (Chloe, Lana, Oliver--who also pressures him into sex alot), but Jonathan said "you can be the most mildest of citizens" and that stuck with me because he really wanted the best for Clark. I believe that, but I look at it as Jonathan and the Kents holding down the emotional structure versus Schneider's take on 'moral structure'.
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[User Picture]From: ladydreamer
2009-09-08 02:52 am (UTC)
Hee! Michael is just adorable!

Jonathan Kent always demonstrated one moral standard for himself, one standard for his family members, and another standard for outsiders. I don't know if he was better before he got boned by Lionel, but I don't think the slip in moral standards started when Jonathan died. He always seemed to only see what was best for those immediately around him, without giving much thought to wider implications, and if it came down to admitting he was wrong or helping someone (even his family), you'd better believe that more often than not he won't be swallowing his pride.

If we find failing in Clark's morals later on in the series, I know where to look regarding where that started. But when he was a young man, he had to have balls of steel to stand up to Jonathan Kent! :)

I'd agree that they should have done something else with the transition from Clark and the Kents as a supporting structure, but I wouldn't necessarily say that Jonathan shouldn't die, but rather that they should have made more of an effort to move from the high school setting to a college setting, remove Jonathan, and still have Martha there as Clark's support until he's living on his own in Metropolis (because there's enough of an absence with the father gone). The way they just did it was odd.
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 03:04 am (UTC)
I'd agree that they should have done something else with the transition from Clark and the Kents as a supporting structure, but I wouldn't necessarily say that Jonathan shouldn't die, but rather that they should have made more of an effort to move from the high school setting to a college setting, remove Jonathan, and still have Martha there as Clark's support until he's living on his own in Metropolis (because there's enough of an absence with the father gone). The way they just did it was odd.
That sounds good...I do miss having the older actors on the show. Even though Martha wasn't always well used in S6, I missed her in S7. It made the farm seem much less of a home for Clark.

But when he was a young man, he had to have balls of steel to stand up to Jonathan Kent! :)
If Jonathan had survived, he might also have been unhappy with Clark's creation of his alter ego "Red Blue Blur", seen it as far too risky.
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[User Picture]From: herohunter
2009-09-08 06:00 pm (UTC)
I don't know if he was better before he got boned by Lionel

HA!!! Jonionel Barn Sex!! I KNEW IT!!!

\o/

:P
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[User Picture]From: goodvibe
2009-09-08 03:51 pm (UTC)
Hmm. Yeah, I never saw Jonathon as the moral centre of the show. I think, for me, that's always been Clark himself actually. Even right from the start. I think he learned to evolve his own moral compass, obviously influenced by his upbringing, no doubt. But evolving it sans that sense of sanctimonious aura that sometimes came part and parcel with the Kents.

Having said that, I do miss the Kents. The whole family dynamic. But that almost feels like a whole other show now. And I suppose, fair enough.
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 11:38 pm (UTC)
But evolving it sans that sense of sanctimonious aura that sometimes came part and parcel with the Kents.
Whenever Clark does stray into sanctimony (ie, lecturing Lex about the merits of an "honest day's work" in "Trespass") it comes across as Jonathan's legacy. Clark is more instinctively open-minded, I think.
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[User Picture]From: herohunter
2009-09-08 05:58 pm (UTC)
Gosh, Michael's just fantastic.

*gushes*
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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 11:37 pm (UTC)
Kind-hearted beautiful man....
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[User Picture]From: complicat
2009-09-08 08:37 pm (UTC)
Aww, Michael is a sweetie!

I don't agree with a lot of JS's view of Jonathan Kent, but I do like that he is prepared to speak his mind and point out that mistakes have been made. I guess he's experienced and established enough not to have to worry too much about it coming back to bite him.

Constructive criticism is good, but the producers seem intent on insisting that everything is wonderful and every season is the best yet, so they never acknowledge their mistakes and learn from them

I did miss Martha - Jonathan not so much. I'd had enough of him by the time he pegged it! Maybe if he comes back as a ghost and admits that he was wrong about Lex all along I might forgive him. Perhaps he's been chatting with Lionel in the afterlife and has realised that Lex never stood a chance with him as a father.


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[User Picture]From: tasabian
2009-09-08 11:36 pm (UTC)
Maybe if he comes back as a ghost and admits that he was wrong about Lex all along I might forgive him.
According to acampbell's comment above, he's wanted to come back & hear that he was right about Lex all along!

One thing in Jonathan's favour: he would NEVER have attended the wedding in "Promise."

He did say in one quote that if Lex was raised by the Kents, he'd have become a hero.
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[User Picture]From: foreverknightfa
2009-09-30 10:18 am (UTC)

Schneider as Jonathan

I agree with your comment about the producers and the " best season yet" claim they always do.

As for Schneider, I think he did insert his own real life views into that of Jonathan Kent without figuring out that his character had a number of faults, including his on and off relationship with Clark. Sometime he would be the caring father, sometimes he would be borderline abuser, if you want to mince words about it. The aggressive tough guy aspect really started turning me off to the character. Unfortunately they also soon got rid of Annette, which would have been a missed opportunity between her character and Kara last season.

I have no problem in Schneider returning as Jonathan, maybe an alternate Earth thing or the gimmick they used regarding Zoners possessing humans.

I do think that despite of the core acting group's attempts to make the series as good as it could be that the series has gone on too long, and frankly it's starting to show.
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